They are aware of these things in proportions the rest of the church can benefit from. All the false prophecies and watching friends believed in these lying words to the point it was hurting others and ruining lives. I too believe in miracles and appreciate (and attend) churches that embrace the power and presence of God. I’m not sure what real Christian, in their right mind, would ever deny that miracles no longer occur. I could not be satisfied living a life apart from God. Perhaps it’s because many don’t yet know or understand that themselves and hopefully it’s not because they (church leadership) see the church as a business proposition. So true. Always wondered how born again christians could run along side false teachers for years on end and not realize that they weren’t born again. I stick with a more rational school of thought and find that my life is so much more peaceful w/o the emotional chaos that is rampant in that movement. I have a friend who is completely caught up. I was truly saved in this movement at the age of 20. Watch out that you don’t make things like healings and miracles the ultimate things, rather than subservient to the one most important thing: Knowing Christ. Mind you he left me sitting in a worship service for 45 minutes to chat with another girl that he ended up dating weeks later. Maybe if I had read it I would have understood how God views false lying prophets and a corrupt priest which brings me to my point, false prophets and corrupt ministers leading many astray has become a staple in the charismatic movement that I could no longer ignore or be a part of with a clear conscious. I am not. I had many questions concerning the church and gender orientation. BTW did you live in Hamilton or have friends there? My heart goes out to you. Teaching is the same way. Here’s my info. it’s almost 2 years out and I’m just now getting to the place where I can pray. The Charismatic movement places great emphasis on "bodily healing" and tells people that "God is not wanting anybody to be sick", but they have not Scripture to show us where God ever said that. He completely changed his tune and said Iwas so worthwhile and tallented and beautiful. Church on every corner, but cannot “find ” one. I am also blessed to have a few Christian sisters who feel the same way as I do regarding a true move of God and can have quality fellowship with them. Thank God you are free!!! It is influenced by some of the teachings of Protestantism, Eastern Orthodoxy and Pentecostalism with an emphasis on having a "personal relationship with Jesus" and expressing the "gifts of the Holy Spirit". I recently walked away from the NAR teachers and teachings, as I was immersed in their teachings for several years. Among other hurtful things. We could exchange names and I would be the one writing this. There is a small church in a very beautiful, rural setting nearby,run by a Charismatic Catholic group. Wow thank you!! Went to a bible study at someone’s home who was in leadership. Leaving Charismatic Movement Testimonies. I am trying to find my way now and it’s been and felt like a difficult road. Wow, that is nutty but unfortunately not uncommon. Often churches are made up of what various people, even godly people, believe is to be the correct interpretation of what the scriptures tell us. I’m certain at one point I was pursuing God but it became an idol itself.  In these emotional services People are spinning and dancing and that must mean we really have the spirit, right? “For years now, my sinuses have been really messed up,” I told this friendly stranger after the service at a church in New Hampshire. I don’t endorse the whole movement. I completely agree with you! Love is a scarce commodity to find in churches and I’ve sat in them for 21 years….scarce.  You are  considered judgmental, divisive and condemned for stirring up dissension among the brethren which is them taking scripture completely out of context to stay unaccountable, complacent and feeling good about their extreme idol worship. All of my “sacrifice” (really works righteousness) amounted to nothing. I  have a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. It is all about “power.” The idea that the world see “power” in Christians is more important than the Gospel….even though the Bible warns us that a wicked generation seeks after a sign. And I did not mean Catholic Charismatic meetings I just went charismatic meetings. I listened to a few of his very recent teachings and he says he used to preach to thousands but he left it all. I began to pull away when I saw Kenneth Copeland becoming what I thought was "New Age"! God’s timing is not our timing, also there is a healing if it’s God’s will. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; It has replace bible studies.  Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything,  I would call it positive philosophy. ..for that I have regtrts for not leaving the Pentecostal UPC church and their twisted beliefs. Jeremiah 29:13 (KJV) Oddly enough I had to leave church to get mentally/emotionally healthy. Your blog has touched me because you wrote about the same thoughts and experiences that I have had. To tell someone they don’t have the Holy Ghost if they don’t speak in tongues sets people up to speak in fake tongues or doubt their salvation. A sensible reply amongst all the other stuff. One example is the leadership of apostles and prophets. I sought God for years for understanding, after all it is all based on love or at least appears to be ? There is more but that is what my blog is for.  I learned to live from word to word and conference to conference, it was a spiritual high I was chasing.  I could get a fresh prophetic word every Sunday at the altar as people prayed for me. There are plenty of smaller churches that don’t have the blacklights and don’t follow that style. I don’t need to move to a foreign country as a missionary to be mightily used of God or stand behind a pulpit. It took me until the age of 35 to finally get completely out of this movement. We can do a portion of it in a corporate setting (like a church group) but God only saves us (through Jesus and His Truth) one heart at a time and as that heart is truly ready to be saved.- – – In other words, God doesn’t save the whole church but rather just those whose hearts are right towards Him no matter what church or church type it is. Fr. I saw a herd of demons cast out of a man in Thailand and nothing can convince me that that’s not what I saw.  like I had done something wrong? Here we will look at the seven reasons why the Charismatic Renewal is not the best vehicle for promoting genuine Catholic spiritual development. After coming out of all of that the Lord sent me a true friend ,a Christian lady who helped me recover , her husband and her were in the same church and he (her husband had been very abusive ),she however had a strong faith in the Lord and took me under her wing, together we prayed and what a battle ensued as we sought to leave that church, it was Spiritual warfare with a capital S. They came at us from every quarter , including her husband. I encourage you to watch Justin Peters testimony on YouTube. I’ve never been much of a “charismatic” myself, and I’m still thrown a bit by the speaking in tongues, but I love the charismatic movement and the way they remind us about the presence and working of the Holy Spirit (where at other times I’m tempted to forget about that person of the Trinity). “The healing is beginning now,” he said as we departed. I’m so sorry for all you went through with your sinuses!!!! God why was I  deceived? This stuff is so far removed from biblical teaching it’s outrageous. I wont go into the gross details but suffice it to say the dear LORD got us out of there. Was it the charismatic church that you were involved with that was the final straw or was it some experience with The Ramp? The Great Commission in Mark is, not Marcus. That is all this movement cares about- signs. I’m grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. Lynn, could you please expand your answer regarding what you found out about gender orientation? In a recent seminary class, we discussed the different emphases of various congregations, and Pentecostal churches focus on the Power and Presence of God. I have a lot of thoughts on this but am still wrestling with how to articulate them. I could write a book about experiences, but am more concerned about salvation. Pray often. I got up and walked out. And if I wasn’t [awkwardly] dancing, I was doing it wrong. Know the truth of scripture as it is illuminated by the Holy Spirit. God can always heal, but doesn’t always. Click to get yourself on my newsletter and never miss an update! So I have seen it first hand. As regards fellowship, I enjoy attending a very traditional Episcopal church where large sections of all scripture are read and liturgy is the foundation of the communion service. I have no animosity. When I was little and healed is when I first realized how much God loves us all . When you are in a group think bubble you really cannot see other perspectives at all.  I have come to realize it was like living in a bomb shelter cut off from society. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. It is so subtle that it is unrecognizable to the biblically ignorant and undiscerning. The straw that broke the camel’s back was when a super  Christian guy I was dating and who had become deeply imbedded in this movement broke up with me because God told him too. But then my real troubles began, they the (church ) i attended stripped me of any confidance , i became controlled and manipulated. Many years have passed now but the experience will always be raw, but i love Jesus and He saved me and He has kept me through everything, He is the light He is the word who dwells among us full of light and truth? Here is how it was shown to me; If i look for love and put my hope and desires in another human, no matter the gender or preference of interest, i will aways be led off the narrow path. It put an enormous focus on the gifts of the spirit such as speaking in tongues/prophecy and how we were the Elijah generation and we would walk in signs and wonders and how that would cause this great revival. You’ll only ruin it’. The gift of service/*helps* is the same way. I have come to the conclusion they aren’t following Christ – but a “christ” of their own making. If that pastor were to attend the church where I currently work, he would probably have the same critique: God is not in the building. I even see a Christian counselor to help me walk this out, who, he as well has witnessed the misteachings and abuse of this nonsense. — God has a goal for me. The ministry circles that the Ramp was surrounded by are very concerning to me. Ethan, thank you very much for sharing this! Can’t help thinking the old adage is correct: ‘if you find a perfect church don’t join it. I helped run an organization in Nigeria which reported people born deaf or blind receiving their senses for the first time ever. That in itself should be enough for any christian to realize that it’s a toxic environment and get away. During this time, people claimed to be baptized by the Spirit similar to what took place in Acts 2 in the New Testament. I’m certainly in agreement regarding finding our satisfaction in Jesus. I hope you can see the email I put in. Their job was to seek Him with all their heart in persistent prayer. Completely His direction as I asked and it bore witness with my spirit. I appreciate your sincerity, I understand how your experience would damage an immature believer. It’s a small world. I never lived in Hamilton but attended many conferences. The following letter and response come from the New Covenant, a monthly magazine which caters to those active in the Catholic and Protestant Pentecostal or Charismatic movements. I was going through the motions. P.S. The majority of Christianity is finding the healthy balance between two extremes. The Catholic charismatic movement seemed to enjoy its high period in the 1980s. After visiting your site, I started noticing things that you mentioned, like the tongues and the "holy laughter" and being "slain the spirit" and all. (Paul explicitly says that not everyone can speak in tongues…so why is it forced in so many pentecostal gatherings?). It didn’t die for our sins or hang on the cross for anybody. The Lord has called me to bring back a pure focus on Him, instead of all the stuff. It’s one of the main things that I realized that helped me come to my senses and wash my hands of the movement. It’s been a painful journey. Don’t through the baby out with the bath water. I’ve also lived abroad a lot and my not have my thumb on the pulse of what is going on. Your point about being heavy on one and light on the other struck me. There is a lot of good, then there is a web like part. They sent one of their big leaders to me to sort me out, he said I was only fit to be thrown on a dung hill, then in passing he asked to see some of my paintings. Please don’t get caught up in the doctrines of demons on the other side of the path. Thanks, Linda P.S. I’m a Woman and I Struggle with Porn (Guest Post), Celeste and Jesse Forever: Loneliness and Laughter. They might not call it ‘false prophecy.’ They misuse the verse that says, ‘we prophesy in part’ to mean it is okay to prophesy in error. If I hadn’t left the charismatic movement that was always requiring God to do tricks and encouraging me to “walk out in faith,” I have no doubt I would be attending a church in person. Balance is so important. It is the hardest part. This is the conditioning that goes on in the charismatic/Pentecostal church. But beware of the language you use and the beliefs you hold, as they may be damaging to others. May we continue this conversation as people who seek to know truth and commune with the Spirit, neglecting neither and always growing in both. Why I Left the Charismatic Movement . Our pastor who was not there that night at the meeting called and asked me to come into his office. A couple of things by way of transparency. My experience in the A/G, and Southeastern Pentecostalism is a much heavier emphasis on the Bible. They have forsaken me the fountain of living waters and are drawing from cracked cisterns which hold no water. It’s not said point blank but the overall theme is he is one of the only ones preaching the REAL gospel and that type of hyped up emotional message can radicalize ppl in a very dark way. We get to validate his false prophecies and bad theology and they get our money…win, win? Husband died in surgery, impressed to pray. — God is Great and nothing is impossible with God. I would never find a husband because I disobedient to God. We must not consider what ‘all theses things’ to be added are for this has no matter , His righteousness is our matter. I totally believe in the New testament Church for today. This is my story. Wow! The fact that it did not line up with Gods word or his Character made me even more angry.  God sent a strong delusion upon them so that they should believe the lie because they loved not the truth. I saw so many people using Gods name in the Charismatic/Pentecostal movement it is dizzying.  As I was screaming my babbling prayers  and becoming exhausted doing it I stopped to look around and thought to myself, “So we can just stand here and scream and God does what we say?”  I look back on that moment and believe God was waking me up to the great delusion I was in. Thank you for this post. Once when I was a girl and once when I was grown. That can happen, of course, but there is much more to it than that. Doing this is an individual quest. Been healed, not been healed. In fact many things began to bother me in this chaotic movement.  We were all conference junkies running to whatever new “move of God” Charisma magazine was publishing that month. Go figure. — God is God and in control. 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