O, give thanks to the LORD for He (alone) is good! Local Church Options. Like the current office holder of the White House, Ms. Sibbald without any evidence has added her voice to this crowd by saying progressives “realize people would reject their ultimate goal if they laid out the truth from the beginning.” Where is this vast to do list that progressives have constructed and passed among themselves without being revealed to the public? It is all about making people comfortable– no need to consider God in the process. Reverend Ray’s comments are a good summation of what I am hearing from UMC members and clergy. You can read the second one here. Traditionalist should fight for the institution. Magisterium is the teaching authority of the church which the Methodists do claim. They understand what they read and practice their faith above all things. Will you go to the new progressive Methodist denomination, the new traditionalist one, or something else? Also, how can a church say that God is simultaneously for and against something? The Infinite Game Outline. Maybe the new traditionalist denomination is the start of the revival? Comment by Elaine Miller on January 28, 2020 at 8:07 pm. It’s in a rural area, in a town so small it’s not even incorporated. We attend the same church and pray and read the bible like a “Christian” should. Speaking of vows, I feel leaving The United Methodist Church would be hypocritical when, for over 30 years, I have welcomed members into God’s church by asking them to take a vow to be loyal to The United Methodist Church and support it. God is in control. If those of us who are clergy and against this horrendous destruction wrought by the political and social left of the The Wesley’s history, their love for the on living God is amazing. Teddy Ray is the founding pastor of the Offerings Community of First United Methodist Church in Lexington, KY, where he also serves as the Pastor of New Communities and Leadership Development. Even in RC theology there are signs of change. How ironic after all that has happened for anyone to use “United” in the name. And yes, I realize the cure is hard & painful and that I’m unsure if I could handle real persecution and honest enough to say I like my comfort. Respectfully, I must differ. So, no thanks. Grieving, but not leaving, the United Methodist Church A general conference isn’t the church, the way a restaurant chain’s board of directors meeting isn’t a family enjoying dinner. But their agenda will succeed. Comment by David on January 19, 2020 at 3:10 pm. These local churches will be able to leave with their properties (and liabilities) to a new denomination. But why think adding more layers of bureaucracy would increase accountability? Because all of the traditional Methodists I know are faithful to God’s Word and the BOD. Your local congregation could conceivably be appointed a progressive pastor before it fully separates from the U.M.C. JERAMIAH 1:27-33 = “27 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will plant the kingdoms of Israel and Judah with the offspring of people and of animals. Why do we need His grace? Even losing a few families will result in a church that cannot pay it’s bills, I believe. Why did he emphasize this by pointing out the obvious? God is not going to force unbelievers to become believers. Unrepentant LGBTQ Clergy, and the celebration of same sex marriages are a rejection of Gods Will and thus should not be embraced. OTOH the current Pope is making some strange comments and appears to be looking at some changes. For clergy: Choosing is different for clergy. Ultimately the small traditional church will close with all their assets stripped. History teaches, Yes, because progressives never stop “progressing.”. Some of the Pope’s comments & actions have been…odd? Your whole faith is hinged on one man, one woman marriage?!? I feel leaving The United Methodist Church would be hypocritical when, for over 30 years, I have welcomed members into God’s church by asking them to take a vow to be loyal to The United Methodist Church and support it. I wish it were different, but I’m afraid it won’t be. Thanks, Comment by Joan Wesley on January 17, 2020 at 1:41 pm, Re. The problem in the UMC has been theology and that is not a ground for secular intervention. Disobedience has grown without ceasing. Comment by Edith L. Parker on January 25, 2020 at 7:54 am. Are you trying to be offensive or was it an accident? This whole mess has such far reaching consequences. Since the United Methodist Church continues to be divided, they came to the realization a formal separation agreement was needed and in early January 2020 the UMC announced the Protocol of Reconciliation & Grace through Separation. We left in 2015 after I met with my pastor on two issues: Abortion and Same-sex marriage. But I hope traditional Methodists will oppose this resolution and vote it down. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”, Comment by td on January 17, 2020 at 6:31 pm. because they broke my covenant, Not sure the fight is winnable. and with the people of Judah. Ultimately there will be fewer members, fewer churches and less staff. Comment by Florida Conference Guy on January 20, 2020 at 10:27 am. Trust in these procedural matters in our churches is dismally low. God bless everyone who follows the word of God. I would agree that many of us are sick and tired of having to fend off attacks against scripture from the liberal, unorthodox crowd, but I have too much invested into my church to walk away and start anew. She said as long as they are happy that is all she cares about. That denomination is dissolving and giving birth to new denominations. and the children’s teeth are set on edge.’. Comment by Dan W on January 18, 2020 at 10:54 am. It is also one where some people are more willing to buy into the progressive agenda whereas others are not. The truth must be told and stood on. I have said this. The work of IRD is made possible by your generous contributions. Yes, including the choir leader’s own daughter. But do not confuse people on this. My option will probably be to leave the UM church. Do not capitulate to the bullies. Ask your self why do you oppose the plan? In an organizational dissolution, they include things like the name, the logo, the agencies, all of the local churches, and the money. We are governed by conferencing, not by a hierarchical ladder. it’s worth it. I will not argue that this is a bad thing. With all due respect to those involved in this proposal, and Mr. Feinberg, this proposal should die for now. United Methodism’s name and logo may remain, but they’ll represent a different institution. Okay, I don’t disagree with you on the basics – by permitting remarriage after divorce, the UMC ceded the ground that eventually led to gay marriage acceptance. Comment by td on January 21, 2020 at 4:11 pm. I suggest you all go back and study the book of “JEREMIAH”. They may start with a local option, but it won’t last long. Comment by Dee on January 16, 2020 at 1:20 pm. I’m sick of it and I’m telling you, more people than the leadership realize are thinking like me. Bye bye, rebels! Is it love to let them believe “their own happiness” is more important than being reconciled to God? Comment by Psalti on January 17, 2020 at 7:15 pm, “When orthodoxy becomes optional eventually it becomes proscribed”, Comment by JR on January 21, 2020 at 9:12 am, “The Bible tells us to love our neighbors, and also to love our enemies; probably because generally they are the same people.” – GK Chesterton, Comment by Dina Harper on May 14, 2020 at 10:46 am. How many souls will be lost? I don’t agree with your firm point on theology, and that’s something that we can agree to disagree about (without needing to be hard on each other about it). I have a few friends who are my age and homosexual. They have miserably failed the laity. I think this will be the same story over and over again in rural Missouri and probably other states too. Comment by William on January 17, 2020 at 6:03 pm. Then to Noah and the Flood. Comment by Donald E Null on January 17, 2020 at 7:04 pm. David Pawson, a great Bible teacher, said it best….”the church follows the world, 15 yearse behind”. I’m just an old man. In the traditionalist denomination, I expect clergy to hear “you must not” for all of the above. “Anti-gay” may be a false equivalency to “traditionalist,” but it’s what sticks in the minds of outsiders. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united with his wife. not have any part of this club! Wow! who immediately defined them and interpreted their agenda in ways Harry and Meghan would probably choose to disagree. The fight should have been fought long ago on different grounds but wasn’t. I use that word because that is the word they use for themselves. Indiana may or may not stay with a post-separation UMC. Don’t wash your hands of the truth and as a Sunday school teacher within the Methodist church I can sadly attest to the fact that just a weekly Sunday school lesson and jumping around throughout the Bible will only serve to confuse the people. Comment by Traditional Methodist Woman on January 20, 2020 at 12:31 pm. As a practical matter, do you really think that those traditional clergy who stay will do it so they can advance in the hierarchy? Yes, a slippery slope. More and more I’m ready to join the Catholic Church and say forget the Methodists. Comment by Dean on January 17, 2020 at 12:34 pm. As an outsider with outsider friends, we concur with the press. They have left because they were looking for God, and they weren’t finding him in the UMC. How have we gone so far from the Biblical truth of God’s Word? If the faithful were in control would the Bishops be so out of control? Comment by John Smith on January 17, 2020 at 6:17 am. 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